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Just bought a second one after 8 years and then wrote an epic diatribe in this review
By xsvtoys on Reviewed in the United States on January 10, 2019
I originally bought and set this up in 2010 and just replaced it with the same model. It still was working fine but the Watch TV button finally started to get a little flaky. This makes sense, it’s the one that gets pressed the most. I was satisfied with 9 years of daily use and bought the same one again. The new one went right into service with no problems. I think I’ll get another one now just to keep on hand for when this new one gives up in 10 years. My setup: Yamaha receiver Panasonic plasma TV Frontier Fios cable/dvr Xbox One (also used for DVD and Blu-Ray) Raspberry Pi with Kodi Raspberry Pi with Retropie Nintendo Wii Nintendo GameCube Nintendo N64 Note that the GameCube and N64 are not programmed as devices. You can’t control them with IR anyway, you have to use the game controllers and you will have to manually turn on the power switch. But you can still use the remote to set up the custom activities “Play GameCube” and “Play N64”. These activities will power up the TV, power up the receiver, and switch the receiver to whatever AV connection you are using for the game. Thus in this way you can sort of use more than 8 devices. This remote also can operate the Xbox One menus for non game stuff like watching Youatube and it also nicely runs all functions of Kodi media center on the Rasberry Pi with a Flirc controller installed. Nice! Amazingly this same remote is still in the Logitech product line all these years later, and thankfully so. This is about as good as you are going to get and the price is great compared to the far more expensive new models. It’s simple and it’s effective. It gets the job done. Just read all the reviews on those expensive new models and see if you think people are getting a better experience for hundreds of dollars more. Even after all these years and with all of the brains and technology in the world, it seems no one can solve the riddle of the universal remote. Spend all the money you want, none are perfect and there will always be frustration with the setup and operation. Some of this has to do with the zillion different things out there that need to be controlled, some has to do with the lack of comprehensive standards, and some has to do with the inherent limitations of the technology. At least with this one you won’t spend a lot of money, and in my experience it will work fine if you understand the limitations. Basically, as others have said, you simply must keep the remote pointed at your system until everything has had a chance to turn on and switch to the correct settings. This can take a few seconds, but this is an eternity for people who cannot manage the task and start waving it around as soon as they press a button. You can avoid 90% of all your problems if you simply keep that remote pointed towards the equipment until it is done! It really is as simple as that. If you mess this up, things will “get out of sync”. For example, the remote might think the tv is on when it is really off. So things won’t work right. You can press Help and the built-in wizard will extract you from your mess, MOST of the time. If not, just manually turn everything off and start over, and this time, you got it, KEEP IT POINTED RIGHT, and then it will work. Seriously, I can sit my bloated fat butt on the couch, day in and day out for months on end, using this remote hundreds and hundreds of times to watch TV, watch movies, watch YouTube, play video games, and on and on, and it will work flawlessly every single time. Then I hand it to someone else to watch TV, and after they inevitably ask me “how do I use it to watch TV?” I say “press the button that says ‘Watch TV’ (DUH) and keep it pointed at the TV until everything is on”. And they inevitably mess it up and holler “it’s not working! What do I do now?”. And why is this so? Because they did not keep it pointed at the TV, that’s why. Note that this is not a limitation of this particular remote, this is due to the inherent limitations of the technology. When you want to do something like watch TV on a full theater system, you are using a macro in the remote to accomplish this. A macro is nothing more than a series of IR commands sent out to the different parts of the system, such as: 1) turn on the tv, 2) set the tv to the correct input, 3) turn on the receiver, 4) set the receiver to the correct input. These have to be done one after the other, not all at once, in order to make everything work right. It doesn’t take long, but it still does take a few seconds, and those few seconds are just a bit too long for all those people who cannot manage the simple task of keeping the remote pointed in one direction until it is done. The other limitation of the technology is that there is no “state awareness” for the remote. All this means is this: the remote has no way to “know” if the power for your TV or other device is ON or OFF. This is true for any IR remote. In the case of the Harmony remotes, they “assume” that the power is off for everything in your system when you are telling it to turn things on, such as when you want to do something like watch TV. If the remote assumes your TV is off when you press Watch TV and it is actually turned on then it will send the power toggle command and turn your TV off. Now it’s off when it should be on, and you are scratching your head staring dumbly at it and wondering why you cannot see your American Idol. The wizard in the Logitech remotes at least tries to bail you out by using a logic tree and having you press some buttons and answer some questions so it can get everything where it should be. Even the All Off button is not guaranteed to turn everything off. Because if something is ALREADY OFF when it thinks it is ON then the All Off button will turn it ON! Got that? For anyone still reading this far, this situation is due to the common use of the single “toggle” power button, that is, the button you press on your TV, receiver, or whatever to turn the power on and to turn the power off. This translates to an IR remote code that simply toggles the power to the opposite of whatever state it is in. Now some components also use what is called “discrete” IR signals. This is a fancy way of saying there is one code to power off and a different code to power on. If the component is on and you send it a discrete on code, it simply ignores it and stays on. But if you send it a discrete off code then it turns off. This is a much more nifty way to turn things on and off with a remote, because now the All Off button could be 100% reliable to actually turn everything off, and this would give you a foolproof bailout if you mess it up (by now, you should know how you messed it up right?). If things aren’t right you could just hit the All Off button and everything would go off and then the remote would have a known starting point for you to try again. Sadly, many components don’t use the discrete power codes, only the toggle codes. Which means, if you messed up and didn’t get something turned on then when you press All Off you will actually turn that one on. Then when you press your command which will logically send the power toggle command to turn on, it will promptly turn OFF! Now, you have truly descended into madness and have thrown your remote through the TV screen. 30 years of consumer electronics and we are all still stuck in this same boat. We’ll have flying cars before this gets solved.
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Little Success with 650
By Mike_in_Oregon on Reviewed in the United States on April 8, 2012
I don't usually do reviews, but it just so happens I received an email from Amazon this morning on past products I'd bought and there was the button to review the product. So... I bought this remote several weeks ago, based on other reviews and having used a lot of Logitech devices over the years. My first impression when I took it out of it's packaging was that it was pretty well made. The second was what to do with the cheap sticker they have pasted on the front. I thought it was just a protective sticker and should come off, but when it didn't come off like most protective plastic covers and I couldn't find anything in the minimal provided info sheet, I left it alone. It looks tacky to me though. I then followed the information guide and got the information from my TV and FIOS control box and connected to their web site. The site is slow and I hate having to register and give out a email address just to be able to store the settings I configure the remote with. But if you don't, you have to go through the whole process each time. You should be able to store the settings on your own computer. I put in my TV, a inexpensive Toshiba 22LV505 and my FIOS control box, a Motorola QIP-71001 and it appeared to accept them. I synced up the remote but the remote did not work except to turn off my TV when I pressed buttons that should not have turned off the TV. I went back and tried the QIP-7100 without the 1 at the end. It seemed to accept that as well but the remote still did not work right. I then tried going through the option to program the buttons, which is very tedious to have to do each button one at a time. It still did not work after I programmed the basic, on/off, channel change, volume change, menu, info, etc. If it wasn't for the fact you have to destroy the packaging to get the thing out of the package, it would have gone back into the box and been the first item I've ever returned to Amazon. Instead, I set it aside for a couple of weeks and then tried it again, except this time I went through the web site (don't expect much from the support section) and found that I could download a program that did the same thing as their web site... it's still slow though as it is talking to the web site as you go. I started from scratch again, entering my TV and control box, checking all the boxes that seemed to apply. With only the two devices, there weren't a lot of options to check. I did the sync again and tried it out. Again, none of the right buttons worked. the only thing it did was turn off the TV when I pressed the Watch TV button and a couple of other buttons. I did get it to turn back on with the power button but I had to press it a few times. I won't say the thing is junk (although it's useless for me at this time and a waste of my money) since it does seem to work for a lot of other people. I do think there is something wrong with the control files it downloads to the remote based on the devices entered. I have another FIOS provided remote I got with my other Motorola control box that connected to a Sony TV that programmed right up entering a single code and I have one remote to control both TV and control box without any issues. Maybe this remote doesn't like Toshiba or something changed in the model TV I have from what Logitech's web site downloads and if I could easily try other models I would. In any event, this probably works fine with more expensive name brand TVs, but seems to have a problem with the cheaper ones. I plan on replacing this small TV eventually with a bigger one and maybe I'll try it again. As it stands now, this would be rated as a -2 but since I can only go as low as a 1, that's what I rate it.
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